[Ready to start living in the flow? Whether you’re a mom, a soulprenuer, or a momprenuer these tips will help you tap into the power of radical vulnerability in you life!]
If you find yourself feeling anxious and living in your head, you are going to love this episode of the Soul Care Mom podcast. Jaishree Dow-Spielman a homeschooling mom and soulpreneur. We dive into how you can are loving in the flow and practice radical vulnerability. This conversation might just transform the way you approach motherhood and life.
Catherine Wilde
Hi there, Soulful Mama. Welcome to the Soul Care Mom Podcast. I’m Catherine Wilde of soulcaremom.com, I’m a mom of three amazing kids, a soul care mom coach, and a yoga and meditation teacher. I’ve helped hundreds of women, and I’m here to help you feel calm and find your unshakable confidence as a mom. If you’re ready to stop living in survival mode and you’re ready to drop the mom guilt and overwhelm, this podcast is for you.
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Catherine Wilde
Hi, Jaishree! I’m so excited to have you here.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Hi, Catherine. Thank you so much. I’m so happy to be with you.
A Soulprenuer’s Journey With Radical Vulnerability
Catherine Wilde
I am excited to talk with you because you’ve been on quite a journey. You are a mom, you’re an entrepreneur. I love that you use the term soulpreneur. And I’m really excited to dive into all the things with you. You’ve shared a little bit of your journey with me. You’ve built successful careers, and you’ve done international travel. You’re a teacher, you’re a homeschooling parent. You’ve navigated chronic pain. Would you share a little bit more about your journey with us?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Thank you for reflecting back to me and to your audience the journey that, of course, we’re all really going on together individually and collectively. I’m really lucky. I’m really blessed. I became a mom on my 41st birthday, basically.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And it’s really amazing because becoming a mother is something we do both with a physical child, of course. But as I learned early on, you don’t have to have a physical child to mother. Yes. And it’s really the innate goddess energy, no matter our religion, creed, culture, wherever you’re from, there’s the divine feminine, there’s the divine masculine, and there’s the dance.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
So I was born with chronic pain. It’s true. I think most humans are, because we are born and we come into this world and we all know from what we’ve been experiencing the past few years how difficult and challenging that incarnation, that embodiment can be.
But it’s also quite blissful and so navigating pain as you mentioned, was a big part of my journey. And there’s that divine feminine bliss factor, we call it or creation and the yin yielding to what life brings and going with the ebb and the flow. And then there’s that side of us that some of us have in very, very gated ways, but we would call it the male energy or the yang energy.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And I have a lot of that, I have a lot of Mars in my charts. A lot of Dionysus like war energy actually, which it sounds very intense to say. But just to match the language to the landscape, mixing that yin and yang, that male and female produced a lot of work. It really did.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
It produced a lot of expansion of my own artistry or shakti connections. Studying psychology and ethos and morality and religions. All these things came together and actually being an actor and in being a friend and being all these things. But I was very focused on sharing and it was always coming from a spiritual landscape or a spiritual need.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And I worked and shared and did all that, even though I kept falling and even though I kept experiencing pain over and over and over again, which actually was my greatest gift. Right?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
The gift is usually the hardest part. So my superpower, one of them is pain or navigating pain and finding my way out of pain from both sides. And that is a very interesting conversation and that’s why I created the yoga school, so I could dive deeper and share more and why I mentor. And hopefully I’m giving to my daughter now in life and homeschooling.
Catherine Wilde
You’re so right so much the gift comes from those struggles, right? When we can see how it’s working for us, what there is, there’s so much growth that can happen when we let go of the resistance to that expansion that you’re talking about.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Beautiful. Yes, resistance. Resistance is what they call the first level of all the hard work, the shadow work. The resistance is what comes up in relationships and where that comes from is another story.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Talking about what we go through as moms. I think right now on the planet, trauma is really big. And talking about it from a generational or standpoint, which is of course, something my husband and I are very much into and into working on so that we can up level, so we can pivot.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And understanding what generational trauma means. That’s quite a beautiful spectrum because you have epidemiology or genetics and then you also have some scars or karma, as we would say in yoga world. And that’s both and world.
How To Practice Vulnerability
Catherine Wilde
And I love that you brought up relationships. So as a homeschooling mom, as a business owner, can you share a little bit about cultivating a really strong partnership, relationship, family, just as a whole? What are your tips that you can share with us?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
I’d love to. Well, it’s funny, my husband and I are leading a new workshop. That’s not really a new workshop. It is, but it’s sharing the same eternal sources of wisdom, right? Whether they come from the Vedas or the Bible or the various places that we find these gems, these allegories these amazing divine wisdom pieces.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
I would say that the most important part of any relationship, specifically of partnerships. But it’s the same with whether you’re in a partnership with your husband, wife, partner, child, whoever it is, business partner is the pivot.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And by that I mean we call it in the first level of Soul Mapping, the grounding phase, the commitment, the realm of commitment, which really just means the awareness in that moment of, okay, here I am triggered. It’s going to come up over and over. The where that comes from is a whole other story. And the healing of that is actually another story and level. But I’m in it in this Nexus now moment. So how am I going to pivot?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And that’s the hardest part, even though it’s the first level. It’s something we call core desire or like pivoting to positivity. What does that mean? Right. And how do you do that? That’s a lot of work, actually, to get to that place. But that is the what of it. I’m in awareness, I’m triggered. How am I going to pivot to what I really want, which is to say who I really am.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And from there I can make a choice. And some would say pause, reflect, and then move. But this is like, who am I as a Soul? Who Am I?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
It’s not just manifestation, it’s not just abundance that’s a part of it. But it’s really my core desire is my absolute understanding of who I am. And to come back to that over and over and over again.
Catherine Wilde
So many of our triggers, our emotions, all those things that come up are really trying to help guide us back to our center, right back home to ourselves. So I love that you said that. And awareness is definitely the first step, right? Once we become aware, we can start to play with things, we can start to find ourselves again. That’s so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Oh, of course. And that aspect of us that is in relationship to ourselves, the actual falling in love with ourselves. I would say falling in love with ourselves. My first book, which was a while ago, it was more of a workbook in a way to help start that process.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Fall in love with yourself for real and forever. And then the world will come back like it did the past three years and it will give us a load of programming, narrative confusion, pain, all of it. We’ll swivel and swirl in it and then we’ll have to find the pivot. It’s like the Earth wobbles, right?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
It actually rotates and wobbles. If we could actually feel that, that would explain 2020 and 2021. And now we’re in 2022. So where that pivot is, that relationship starts with falling in love with ourselves and then coming back to reinvent ourselves. And as moms, we’re given that every day. We’re literally given it every day.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
But I also love what my teachers told me is mothering is something we do with everyone. It is the nurturing giving spirit. And I know you’re supporting so many moms by your beautiful vibration. That’s what I experienced from you and what so many people will say. It’s that vibration and it’s that eternal mother that is inside of you, that is inside of us. So thank you for that.
The Art Of Vulnerability To Help You Be A Happy Mom
Catherine Wilde
Thank you for saying that. That makes my heart so happy. It brings me back to where you were talking about the feminine and masculine and how the dance of that. I think that’s such a beautiful way to put that because both energies are really beautiful and we all have those in us, right?
Catherine Wilde
That you were speaking of the masculine and how that brings about action and moving forward and growth and expansion. And then there’s also the beautiful part about the being. And I found that coming more into my feminine has helped me a lot in really connecting with myself. But the masculine side also helps me to take action, to move forward.
Catherine Wilde
I love that you shared that. Do you have any tips on how women can tap into this dance for themselves?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
It makes me cry a little bit to think of women being ever in competition. I hear that so much because my work is not in business per se. I do coach and mentor and have for now 15 years.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And I did it through hands on teaching yoga classes, traveling the world through kirton, some of it’s for free, some of it’s paid various ways of working and manifesting and taking fortune from whoever wants to give mercy in that way. So there are many tools that help us integrate the divine masculine and the divine feminine.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And the reason I brought up the competition is truly because whatever we’re experiencing in a moment of trigger or pain or portal, we can never go wrong if we have the wisdom of the sages to remind us that we’re all feminine and that we’re all souls. And that if masculine energy is more about creation, actually like the vedas actually say this, the Shakti man is like more of the divine. You could call it creation, you could call it maintenance or you could call it destruction, right?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
The three different aspects of G O D, of generator, operator, destroyer. And then you could take the feminine and say, oh yeah, that’s Kali, Lakshmi and Radha. Or you could shift it in many ways and you could say, oh, that’s Shiva, Brahma and Krishna. You could come at it from so many different ways, but there is no competition within the soul except to be with the divine more and more or to be with your beloved more and more.
Catherine Wilde
And that’s also what it sounds to me like are loving from a place of lack and fear and scarcity versus understanding that there is more than enough that we’re all connected through love.
Catherine Wilde
And that you’re right. There’s no competition. We’re all inspired by each other, we all can grow together.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
That’s the new earth. I hope so because that was beautiful. Yes. I mean, this time has been hard, it has been challenging. The unfortunate, you could call it inverted energy of all that’s good and awesome in life gets out of alignment and too great. And then it becomes what?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Like power, lust, anger envy, greed, all these same words for the same thing, which is ultimately the desire to take as opposed to the desire to give. Mothering is always giving and fathering is always giving. And so that energy that you speak to so beautifully of knowing how to work with the two that we call sometimes duality, but really it’s the dance. It’s the dance.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
There are many mantras, there are many ways of being, but it’s the one that is like that DNA strand of love, of the sweetest dance of love. That’s the one that I’m the most attracted to. And so that’s where I set my sights and what comes from there, we share.
Catherine Wilde
Yes. And I think that comes back so beautifully to what you said before about coming home to yourself and finding who you are. Right. I think when you connect with that place, you don’t see the world from this take place like you see what you’re speaking of. And I think all of this just fits so beautifully together. Thank you for sharing that.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Thank you. Of course. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to share.
What Is Radical Vulnerability?
Catherine Wilde
It one thing that I love about your energy, your business. I feel like we’re kindred spirits here in this. I love that you use the term soupreneur, first of all, and leading your business from the soulful loving place. And you speak about radical vulnerability. So can you share what is radical vulnerability? Why is it important?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
I love radical vulnerability. Radical vulnerability speaks to the experience of feeling ultimately and what we were speaking of, understanding that the thinking mind is only super useful when it’s connected higher to its intelligence and to the subtle energy body which is feeling.
Radical vulnerability means I’m not going to take for granted anything for me in this moment. This is what it means. I am loving the truly express all of the colors of my chakra wheel and all of the colors of the rainbow. Now there are 8 billion people on the planet, right?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
That’s like wild.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
So we’re not all going to vibrate like you and I are. We’re like everyone we want to vibrate with. We’re going to bump up against things so radical vulnerability probably comes from having migraines and being in pain so much that if I don’t take the mercy that’s coming, I’m just going to be like in this horrible physical and psychic battle.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And that happens in parenthood as well. So we talk about what is repeatable, relatable, and reliable. That’s what we always say with the soul mapping. Like, it’s repeatable, relatable, and reliable. And it really is. It’s turning trauma into drama. Let it be lighter, and it’s practicing accessing who we truly are and then pivoting in the moment from that place.
Catherine Wilde
That’s beautiful. So you’ve mentioned soul mapping. Can you share what that is?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Of course. So soul mapping is the channeled name that came through for the process of teaching and serving and sharing. When 2020 came, my husband and I had Narayani was two, my daughter, we had opened a brick and mortar yoga studio three months before she came through, before she was conceived.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
So we had that studio for two years, and we had already graduated like, six yoga certification programs and had led like, eight retreats to India. And then there was Costa Rica and other places, and we were just serving, singing kirtan because we’re both musicians with anyone and everyone who was coming through town and hosting and all that.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And there was this point where it was obvious that things were going to close down. Now, I don’t know about you, but one of the big pieces of work of soul mapping is connecting to women and men and understanding that they’re already psychic, that this idea of just this bare bones, third dimensional world is not the only timeline.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And by that it’s not woo woo. It’s very simple. We have Earth, water, fire, air. We have the Earth’s core and crust, and then we have space. And space in ether gets thinner and thinner, and that means that it’s clearer and clearer in regards to frequency and vibration. So if you’re from the sciences, you talk about radio waves, EMS and all those things, but inside of us we have a subtle energetic body, right?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
We have meridian points and Chinese are your veda systems, chinese medicine, we call it blood, bones, guts in the physical sense. And our meridians and chakra systems and energy portals. So there’s inside and outside and then there’s what’s out in the world.
And soul mapping is the process of relating those various timelines into one place. So everyone sees, hears, and feels differently. I don’t know. How do you see right? Do you see like, do you hear?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Do you see grids of things or whatever it is? We all work in a certain way. So technical people, systematic engineer types, mathematicals, they work in a certain way.
Maybe more left brain, creatives work, maybe more right brain. So the work that I do is to organize that and to connect with someone about where their blocks are, which most coaches and most mentors do, but take it to the next step, okay?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
What are the healing medicine tools? What are the modalities? Who is your team? What are your rituals? And then to remind them of their absolute radiance and abundance all the time. There are various ways to do this, but ultimately it’s always going to get to the same goal.
How are you going to serve? How are you going to share it? How are you going to repeat it? And so that’s soul mapping in a nutshell.
Catherine Wilde
I love that. So a couple of things that came up for me when you were talking is how everybody sees the world. And that’s such a neat thing that we all do see things from these different perspectives because that’s how we create together, right? That’s so beautiful. And that’s such and amazing process that you take people through and guide people through.
How To Start Living In The Flow
Catherine Wilde
And I love that you remind people of their radiance because we don’t hear it enough. We get so spread thin so far from that message that we need that reminder. Something we had talked about before was this idea of living in the flow, living from this flow state.
Catherine Wilde
Can you share with us what that means to you? And if there’s a mom listening right now, what can she do to start living from that place of more ease and flow in her life.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
In the moment? If we can tap in, we will remember who we are. Having just a little bit of awareness for moms, for parents, that we are souls, that we are eternal part and parcels of divinity will anchor us back in to our highest vibration. Because there are many versions of us.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
And I don’t mean in some weird, strange way, I just mean even in our thoughts, but certainly in our generations of trials and tribulations to get to something beautiful, even the energetic imprint is there that we are inherently made of bliss. So remembering that in the moment and going through the triggers and the portals and maybe having a guide, it might be you, it might be me. There are many guides.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
It could be listening to something that makes you feel amazing. We call that part of our team. And our tools also coming back, doing something, committing to remembering who you are as a divine soul that is always connected, always linked. And if we can get there, we can pivot, we can be abundant, we can call it in.
Catherine Wilde
That’s so beautiful. I like to change the background on my phone with different reminders and the one right now. because I need them. I need to hear it, I need to see it.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
We need all the things, especially parents, and all these ideas of grace, of forgiveness, of mercy. These are especially important for moms and dads and what we’re finding from supporting community for many years and from pivoting and moving and doing the thing during the thing, it was very challenging and I would say, we’re not the same people, my husband and I, in ten years. We just kept moving forward and creating and vibing and growing and sharing.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
But he went in a financial executive direction for a few years, even though he was a teacher, even though he liked he worked with children on the spectrum, he ended up building companies. And in that experience, it got very ugly and it got very cold and it got really hard.
And so I had to come up and meet that and he had to come up and meet it. And having a strong psychic awareness, being able to shield energetically without I always say being an a-hole, sorry, but basically that’s it. Basically being able to expand our energetic power without taking but just being and giving, that is a beautiful expression of parenthood. And if we can do that in business, my husband takes on more of the men and the business and the like, clarity.
I like working with men too, always have. And then working with women on whatever the self sabotage is and whatever we keep doing to ourselves over and over again, all of that does come together in understanding our bliss factor. It really does. And it’s a beautiful thing and it’s also painful and it’s also ugly. And that’s radical vulnerability.
It’s radical to be a pioneer and do the new thing. It’s not as radical to stay in the same thing and be miserable because that energy is going to go down, but you can stay in the same relationship. You just have to go up. You got to do the new thing. Right? So we do that with our kids every day and we can do it with each other.
Catherine Wilde
And that’s our sole calling, right? When we’re feeling miserable, it’s saying something is off. We need to make a change. We need to pivot. I love that word that you use yeah. I think that leads us really well into one of my favorite topics, which is self care.
We so often which all of this really ties together, that saying, who am I following your bliss, everything that you’re saying, and I like to call it soul care, but it gets a back burner for us. Right, but the practice of prioritizing yourself, your soul, your needs, it transforms, at least for me, it’s transformed the way I show up in everything as a mom, as a partner, as a friend in my professional life. So can you share what role self care has played in your life? What are some of the ways you like to nourish your soul?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
I love that you call it soul care, and I was very attracted to that and happy because we’re all on that level of connecting to the soul. And you speak so beautifully about it. Self care is really not a luxury, is it? And we’ve started talking about it as radical self are and soul mapping because it seems like the narrative about parenting and motherhood is sacrifice or self sacrifice. I remember a beautiful mom coming to my yoga studio. It’s called Sanctuary and we are having a party.
I don’t remember I had all these booths and maybe it was a one year anniversary and I had a girlfriend doing massage and she brought her son and husband and other so and she wanted her son to get a massage. And something happened where the provider did not feel comfortable working on the child because she was really young and she was making sure she was covering her bases. Anyway, I said to the mom, why don’t you take that spot that he signed up for?
And she said, “oh, I would never do that. I would never take a spot for my son.”
And this is when I was pregnant, really pregnant. And I remember saying I just was breathing for her always. Just like, okay, but we are told to put on our, you know, air mask first and then on a child when it’s really necessary to wear that oxygen mask. And there’s a reason for that.
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Jaishree Dow-Spielman
There is definitely a connection to the baby boomer. They call it generation of self sacrifice. I have six parents. I’m very lucky. My husband has four. So there’s a lot of work with generations and mothers and really going deep into that psychic knowing of, wow, this is coming from somewhere really far away, or some traumas you can see and some you can.
So the soul care is vital and the self care, there are so many avenues we could go, but it still will always come back to the same points of wisdom. Nature cycles, health, right? These are the same wisdom properties and medicine tools that sages and saints have spoken of and that the vedas have spoken of forever. And by vedas, I mean all the ancient tasks. So what do you think?
I don’t think it’s a luxury anymore. And I also think the past three years created such a huge program, so much indiscriminate lumping together of our bodies, of our minds, and telling us the one way to do something that was always silly, that was never true, that has been going on for a long time. If you look, you know, historically, it’s like this again.
And that’s why I wrote Soul Ascension. I don’t know if you had a chance to look at it yet, but I’ll I’ll send it. But it’s my second book, and it was a free book, and I wrote it on January 1 of 2020, and I was like, Get this out. Check, you know, read, like, from a psychic view, because there are many masters and people who saw the pandemic coming and saw a bigger perspective of what it would be, and was like, okay, let’s just be on the same page. We have the power inside of us.
We can rearrange our own health with our minds and our medicine tools and our self care. So I think we’re just beginning again. Like every day we’re beginning again, but it’s radically necessary at this point to take care of ourselves.
Catherine Wilde
Yes, absolutely. I agree. So many of the things you said. But I love that you had that even before giving birth to your daughter, you had that understanding that you could see in that other mom that she needed to care for herself, and that you went into your motherhood path with your daughter with that understanding, with that wisdom. That’s so beautiful. I wish I had had that when I first started.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
But you’re getting it. You’re learning it, and you’re integrating it, and you’re sharing it now.
Catherine Wilde
And that’s something to remember, too, that it’s never perfect. Like you said, it’s this dance. So we’re always healing those traumas. We’re always figuring things out. And so if there’s somebody listening and it’s like, I don’t have that yet, it’s okay.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
It’s like we are all in this together, for real. And some of us on Earth will have an experience. Like Narayani’s birth experience we like to call it a drama, but it was quite an extensive trauma, actually, that I had to spend the first four months of her life going through medical records and dealing with. And it was really intense. So I was really lucky to have all, even with all my wisdom and all the no, thank you. No thank you. No thank you.
It doesn’t matter when you get to that place of birth, wow, we could talk about that so much because. There is something that happens where there’s this mix, this dance of who wants to take care of you, but they’re only at the level of their qualification at the same time. And the reason I’m saying this is because that is really where we’re always at. And if we come the way you speak from a place of love and intentionality, there’s nothing fluff about saying this.
That is truly the divine path to truly hone in on where we are coming from. And that takes some work. So if your listeners are inspired that’s all we can do is to inspire everyone to do a little more research into this or this history or this spiritual path or yoga or self care or whatever wisdom tradition, we’re always students and we’re always nurturing and we’re always finding our way back. It’s a remembering process.
Catherine Wilde
Yes, we’re always students. I think that’s a really beautiful perspective to take on life. So I’m so grateful for everything you’ve shared. And I would love to ask you have been on this incredible journey. You have just had these amazing experiences, ups and downs, healing the trauma. If you could go back in time and share with your younger self all that you know now, what would you tell her?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
That’s part of the work always, isn’t it? I would go back and I would say wait and wade through the pain, even when it seems like nothing is moving because there’s a divine providence waiting for you. I would say that.
Catherine Wilde
That’s poetic. I think that’s a message that so many of us need to hear, no matter what we’re going through that’s so beautiful and powerful. Thank you.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
You’re welcome. Wait and wade.
Catherine Wilde
Wait and wade. I love it. Thank so much for sharing all of your wisdom with us. Can you let us know where we can find you online?
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Yes, you can find everything at jaishreeyoga.com. And you’ll find the soul mapping matrix there along with our upcoming workshops. So we’re really excited to share those.
Catherine Wilde
Perfect. I will include the links in the show notes so everybody can find you. Thank you so much again.
Jaishree Dow-Spielman
Thank you, Catherine. It was such a beautiful connection. And all blessings to you and to your audience.
Catherine Wilde
Thank you to you, too.
Catherine Wilde
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